bord Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 @leeoneil How do you feel about passing me your file for a few minutes? I can walk you through the light settings real quick in a short video. I can see where things are going wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalamus Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, leeoneil said: 🤩🤩YEEEEEEES ! 🤩🤩 Thank you @bord !!!!! ..... Please, do not erase your vidéo now ! 😅 I need to do it again, and again to be comfortable. https://vpuniverse.com/forums/topic/6687-why-are-we-messing-with-all-losermans-tables-because-people-care/?do=findComment&comment=60462 I know you've been busy. So, you've probably missed the tip I had about downloading the video. I find it being easier in many ways. Don't have to bookmark or search for it. Can even be studied without internet access if there is such a thing And. I'm quite impressed at what you've been able to accomplish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider leeoneil Posted February 17, 2022 Content Provider Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) Thank's Thalamus, remember you did the SSF for me, it's motivating, we'd like to release good loserman tables. But it's far from finished. I played a little bit on the pincab and i spotted something strange about the ball. Maybe the ball shadows option ? But when the ball roll in the outside lane (for example, everywhere it's dark), there is a light following it (a round circle of light on the ground). I don't know Bord if you will be able to load my 10.7 file, but i think there is a problem here... Thank's if you can check ! Here is the file if someone want to test (10.7) : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O1kWpyUbDo4qKrRrEgoUKVwE2asbwCHz/view?usp=sharing (with the last rendering of shadow playfield) Edited February 17, 2022 by leeoneil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bord Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, leeoneil said: Thank's Thalamus, remember you did the SSF for me, it's motivating, we'd like to release good loserman tables. But it's far from finished. I played a little bit on the pincab and i spotted something strange about the ball. Maybe the ball shadows option ? But when the ball roll in the outside lane (for example, everywhere it's dark), there is a light following it (a round circle of light on the ground). I don't know Bord if you will be able to load my 10.7 file, but i think there is a problem here... Thank's if you can check ! Here is the file if someone want to test (10.7) : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O1kWpyUbDo4qKrRrEgoUKVwE2asbwCHz/view?usp=sharing (with the last rendering of shadow playfield) Oh sure, that is a depth bias conflict caused by the ball shadows and the flasher layer you created. You have to tell the ball shadows to allow the flasher layer to be seen. Easy fix. Just select all the ball shadows: Then change the depth bias to -800, disable lighting and disable light from below to 1. The more elegant solution is to use flashers for ball shadows instead of meshes but this will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalamus Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 11 hours ago, leeoneil said: Thank's Thalamus, remember you did the SSF for me, it's motivating, we'd like to release good loserman tables. I only showed you how to improve on what was already there. There is a lot of other improvements that CAN be done. Putting objects into collections, create physics and sounds for these collections, stealing some of the "fleep sounds", adding drain hitting the apron metal - things like that. There is a reason why vpw / bord / roth / flupper / scotty / clark / knorr .... etc - use a lot of time on their tables. They cooperate; on some of the things, because none of them are the very best at everything. You'll have to figure out what is good enough I guess. But, I'm willing to help you with what I know is relatively easy to implement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider leeoneil Posted February 18, 2022 Content Provider Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, bord said: Then change the depth bias to -800, disable lighting and disable light from below to 1. I'm not sure to understand everything, but it works ! 😅 The result look's very nice on the pincab now (need to correct a light error on top right) : @Thalamus yeah, i know that this can always be improved (and the best result comes from team !!!). At the beginning it was supposed to be "only" DOFing Loserman tables.... Arghhhh ! @ARMYAVIATION i hate you !!!! 😆 I'll finish this one and i'll try on another table with all these adjustments again ! To see if I really understood everything. Edited February 18, 2022 by leeoneil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiRez00 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 When Loserman76 and I were working on Grand Prix (Williams 1976), he told me he had updated ALL his tables to include playfield meshes and some other updates and he was waiting to finish them all up so he could re-upload all of them again, which would have been a HUGE undertaking on it's own. I am sure with the DOF updates from the versions he had on his private server, and unknown bonus was they all use playfield meshes now and the blass rolls a lot smoother and falls into saucers and holes more realistically. The biggest shame is that he didn't get a chance to upload everything again before he passed, because I know he appreciated the feedback, comments, and support he would get with his glorious EM releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bord Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 3 hours ago, leeoneil said: I'm not sure to understand everything, but it works ! 😅 The result look's very nice on the pincab now (need to correct a light error on top right) : @Thalamus yeah, i know that this can always be improved (and the best result comes from team !!!). At the beginning it was supposed to be "only" DOFing Loserman tables.... Arghhhh ! @ARMYAVIATION i hate you !!!! 😆 I'll finish this one and i'll try on another table with all these adjustments again ! To see if I really understood everything. Man, look what you accomplished! Put this next to the original and it is a night and day improvement. Great work! It gets easier the more you do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider leeoneil Posted February 18, 2022 Content Provider Share Posted February 18, 2022 Hello again ! So i wanted to keep the light off effect during a tilt. I made something quite simple. Kept the Loserman "plasticon" sub and just add Flasher_shadow.visible=1 and on the sub "plasticoff" Flasher_shadow.visible=0 In all the script i kept the "plasticoff" only for tilt. After a tilt, when the ball drain, the lights (and the shadows) are coming back. I didn't render a "shadow playfield" with a light above cause i'm not sure to understand what to do. Here is the result : right part of the screen is tilted. What's your opinion ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bord Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Looks fine. Would it be nice for the playfield to be a little darker at lights out? Sure. At some point there are just too many things to tweak. I think all things considered this is a good approach. If the lighter playfield at GI off bothers you one could put a black image on a flasher and set it to 20% at tilt, then turn it off when the lights go back on. That would save you all the lighting and rendering for GI off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider leeoneil Posted February 18, 2022 Content Provider Share Posted February 18, 2022 Ok it works. 😐 If i want to do a render, i get rid of the lights bulb, and i use a "directionnal" lights above the table or something like that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalamus Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Again. I want to congratulate you on what you've achieved in such a short time. Just earlier in this week you where asking on how ball rolling samples really worked, and now you're inside blender, and the previews looks really good. You should really pat yourself on the back - what you've learned by now is NOT only related to Loserman, but, could improve on a big percentage of what is out there. Bord is a sticker for details, and a very good teacher. I almost feel bad for you, as you keep going deep into areas seldom ventured by "newcomers". Very nice job so far @leeoneil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider ARMYAVIATION Posted February 18, 2022 Author Content Provider Share Posted February 18, 2022 @leeoneil that really looks great. To be able to conquer blender like that in such a short time is a real accomplishment. Don’t burn yourself out though, it can happen very quickly but man that looks great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFR1 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Before you get burned out experiment with Old Chicago one of Jeff's nicest tables. My ability is limited to small tweaks like luts but even just adding a darker lut makes that table pop. Really impressive work @leeoneil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider leeoneil Posted February 19, 2022 Content Provider Share Posted February 19, 2022 Thank's everyone for your kind word ! Sorry @bord but i'm back with questions ! So i wanted a "good" result for the tilt. I did this on blender (i have no clue of the configuration i need to put): It gave me this : I used it in my tilt_flasher, with 70% opacity The result is this when we tilt : Is it good, is it bad ? It's better than just a black layer, we can see some very small shadows... Don't know if it's the idea you have. Thank you for your advices ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bord Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, leeoneil said: Thank's everyone for your kind word ! Sorry @bord but i'm back with questions ! So i wanted a "good" result for the tilt. I did this on blender (i have no clue of the configuration i need to put): It gave me this : Is it good, is it bad ? It's better than just a black layer, we can see some very small shadows... Don't know if it's the idea you have. Thank you for your advices ! I don't think it is doing much. Having shadows of the rubbers isn't really the whole picture. This is where the plastics should be integrated so that they cast shadows. The shadow layer should look more like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bord Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 If you can wait until Monday I can do a quick video on using the plastics as well. It gives you a better GI on result as well since you get the light bouncing off the bottom face of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider leeoneil Posted February 19, 2022 Content Provider Share Posted February 19, 2022 Oups, i noticed the rubbers shadow... Didn't see that the plastics were not there... 😅 Thank's, i think i'll wait ! I picked up more elements to have betters shadow but i'm stuck with plastic... I tried with SVG files, i tried DXF, but nothing works, i'm stuck and testing everything drive me crazy... And anyway i need your lights configuration, cause i kept the 10W intensity etc... So yes thank you, i'll wait for your help ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bord Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 hours ago, leeoneil said: Oups, i noticed the rubbers shadow... Didn't see that the plastics were not there... 😅 Thank's, i think i'll wait ! I picked up more elements to have betters shadow but i'm stuck with plastic... I tried with SVG files, i tried DXF, but nothing works, i'm stuck and testing everything drive me crazy... And anyway i need your lights configuration, cause i kept the 10W intensity etc... So yes thank you, i'll wait for your help ! Cool. Sorry I can't help out sooner. Busy weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertms Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 @leeoneil @bord @Thalamus you guys ROCK! Really exciting to watch this play out, many thanks for what you're doing to bring another quality contributor into the fold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Wildman Posted February 19, 2022 Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 hours ago, robertms said: @leeoneil @bord @Thalamus you guys ROCK! Really exciting to watch this play out, many thanks for what you're doing to bring another quality contributor into the fold! Totally Agree 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider ARMYAVIATION Posted February 20, 2022 Author Content Provider Share Posted February 20, 2022 @Wildman love the pic, B2S master! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider leeoneil Posted February 21, 2022 Content Provider Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) edit : sorry, forget about it, it was the "height" of the layer ! It's ok ! Hello ! If someone can help me ( @bord for example 😁) i have a new problem. I did a shadow flasher, apply to world. Look the differences between in VPX editor and the rendering in game : The layer is too "high", and i don't understand how to move it..... Thank you for your help ! Edited February 21, 2022 by leeoneil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bord Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 hour ago, leeoneil said: edit : sorry, forget about it, it was the "height" of the layer ! It's ok ! 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bord Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 11:07 PM, bord said: re: Mini Pool This is a game that needs to be rebuilt from scanned assets. It is so terrific. Remember a week ago when I was thinking out loud how cool it would be to find scans of such great game? Amazing what you stumble into sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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