White Water by Endprodukt

[Rockdude233]

Just now, DJRobX said:

You don't HAVE to match on multiple layers to utilize this!

I'm not sure what this means - can you explain?

Just now, DJRobX said:

CPU performance is the only concern I see with it as entering LCM means you're doing all the same "global" hash calculations as before, but now adding a new round to check all the local masks against all the LCM frames.  

Earlier conversation in this thread lead me to believe this method was more efficient (faster) or less taxing on resources, so I hope you're wrong about this!

[Endprodukt]

Thanks for the nice words. This was something I tried to make clear:

LCM has indeed a lot of potential. 

 

Thank you for the kind words. 

[DJRobX]

I've been using this colorization to add support to Freezy's.   Very nice work, Endprodukt!!     The LCM scenes look great!   

I think this new mode is going to be a huge step forward for pin2dmd colorizations.   I can see it even being helpful to "Contain" basic color mask sequences as it gives you a local set of masks to work with once the scene has started.     That will allow you to make very scene-specific "keyframes" without worry of taking away from the precious global masks.   You don't HAVE to match on multiple layers to utilize this!    The only semi-downside is that you have to have a keyframe outside of it to get out of it, but most thorough colorizations will have this anyway.   Exciting stuff.  

On 4/15/2020 at 5:54 AM, Endprodukt said:

Checking that via live preview only ever works by first triggering the starting keyframe for the LCM. Without going to that one first, you'll end up with no colors. 

Also, the delay for LCM scenes is not adjustable. Although LCM is supposed to basically "overwrite" transitionframes (usually 24ms), it doesn't seem to work for me very well. Using single frames and setting the delay to 1500 has been solving many issues for me, although of course not all of them. 

Right, but you should be able to assign multiple keyframes to the one LCM scene to get back into it (and/or it can be a more generic keyframe).  Once it goes back in, LCM will color the correct frame.

From my understanding of the code, the delay value isn't applied here. The LCM colormask is "sticky" until there is a new detection.   So it should "last", similar to setting a high delay. 

CPU performance is the only concern I see with it as entering LCM means you're doing all the same "global" hash calculations as before, but now adding a new round to check all the local masks against all the LCM frames.    But I don't really know that CPU usage has been much of a problem, I imagine it's mostly of concern on a real pin that doesn't have help from a desktop class CPU.    Time will tell there, I guess.   

[Endprodukt]

3 hours ago, DJRobX said:

I've been using this colorization to add support to Freezy's.   Very nice work, Endprodukt!!     The LCM scenes look great!   

I think this new mode is going to be a huge step forward for pin2dmd colorizations.   I can see it even being helpful to "Contain" basic color mask sequences as it gives you a local set of masks to work with once the scene has started.     That will allow you to make very scene-specific "keyframes" without worry of taking away from the precious global masks.   You don't HAVE to match on multiple layers to utilize this!    The only semi-downside is that you have to have a keyframe outside of it to get out of it, but most thorough colorizations will have this anyway.   Exciting stuff.  

Right, but you should be able to assign multiple keyframes to the one LCM scene to get back into it (and/or it can be a more generic keyframe).  Once it goes back in, LCM will color the correct frame.

From my understanding of the code, the delay value isn't applied here. The LCM colormask is "sticky" until there is a new detection.   So it should "last", similar to setting a high delay. 

CPU performance is the only concern I see with it as entering LCM means you're doing all the same "global" hash calculations as before, but now adding a new round to check all the local masks against all the LCM frames.    But I don't really know that CPU usage has been much of a problem, I imagine it's mostly of concern on a real pin that doesn't have help from a desktop class CPU.    Time will tell there, I guess.   

Everything you say is true, I could set more keyframes of a more generic one, yes. 

Haven't had any CPU problems on the real machine yet. But I converted some of the LCM scenes (not all) back. They simply worked better in the traditional way.

While it is true that the delay function shouldn't be necessary...it just doesn't work as good in real life. Having the traditional single frame with a delay of 1500 seems to work cleaner as of now. 

 

Thanks for your efforts. 

[Rockdude233]

Some weird stuff happening on this site lately.  I posted a question about @DJRobX's post 5 hours before he posted it.  How does that work?

[Endprodukt]

So, since some people had the time to test what we have, are there any MAJOR bugs that I should get to work on? 

I don't play much myself lately, so this would be super helpful!

[Andypc]

Main one I have noticed is with the replay score in game. 

[Endprodukt]

On 6/15/2020 at 10:58 PM, Andypc said:

Main one I have noticed is with the replay score in game. 

Could you send me a picture if you don't mind?

[MrBrownstone]

Does anyone here have the real pin files for me ? 

Contacted @Endprodukt sent him 25 euro to his paypal and never got any link / response.. 

[MrBrownstone]

 

[Endprodukt]

I'm super sorry you had to wait. I didn't see your messages. I'm still having terrible problems with this page, often not even loading for me. 

Please guys feel free to contact me on pinside with the same nickname or even facebook. 

[Endprodukt]

I did some updates and also 4.1 is now supported. Please redownload! 

[aganyte]

Hi, Can you contact me for the real pin version ?

 

Many Thanks 😘

[Barner62]

Hello, really nice work for this!

 

So, do that working well in french language pinball? Any bug inside for?

 

Thx a lot

 

Regards

Edited October 10, 2021 by Barner62

[SpaceGambler]

Anyone been able to get in contact with @Endprodukt for the real pinball files?
He cannot accept messages and not answering on Pinside either.

[phoerber]

Does anyone know where I can get the real pin files for WW?

[SpaceCadet1988]

I can't seem to message @Endprodukt. I'd really like to get the Pin2DMD files for my WW that is arriving soon.

[Marcus600]

same i would like to get WW  Colorisation files 

 

any way to get it somewhere ?

[nappis]

Same here!

I would like to get also White Water color files but can't send any messages to Endproduct...

[aganyte]

does anyone have the Endprodukt files? He has not replied to any message for several months.

[lucky1]

Please contact @NetzZwerg for the real pin files

[talpa80]

Hi guys, I just installed on my WH2O (firmware LH5) a Pin2DMD (firmware 3.17), the colorization works but it stucks during the whirlpool animation (freeze or doesn't even run at all). I read somewhere the colorization is made for LH6 or LH6C firmware. Someone can confirm the pinball firmware can cause the issue ? Or I can try a pin2dmd firmware upgrade first ? What versions you run on your machine working fine ?

[lucky1]

First try updating the pin2dmd firmware to the latest version !

[talpa80]

Done, firmware is on 4.53

Same issues

[talpa80]

Is there someone running LH-5 and has no issues on whirlpool animation ?