Content Provider bent98 Posted February 26, 2013 Content Provider Share Posted February 26, 2013 Here are some really fun tables that wouldbe nice to have FS versions. Junk Yard (High Quailty) Pinball MagicKing PinLast Action HeroLight Camera ActionSafe CrackerChampionship PubWhirlwindNo Good Gofers (Higher Quality)Batman ForeverPopeye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmueck Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 The problem is often to get better ressources. Many authors know what tables are missing. They are requested over and over again. Pinball Magic, Batman Forever and Popeye are works in progress. I think the Whirlwind and Junk Yard FS we have are fine. There are other tables that need updating much more urgently. Last Action Hero and Safe Cracker: you can make yourself a FS version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider bent98 Posted February 26, 2013 Author Content Provider Share Posted February 26, 2013 What tables did you have in mind? Everyone is of course entitled to their own opinion and I assume that’s the whole point of this section. I myself prefer quality over quantity. Sure you can just take existing low res tables and just convert them to FS. I’ve seen a barrage of mediapacks floating around with tables that look like dog throw up on a FS cab.To me, I would rather install 80 high end – good physics, graphics, and gameplay vs 500 mediocre tables on my cab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider DeeGor Posted February 26, 2013 Content Provider Share Posted February 26, 2013 I think it's a good idea to list these tables. Gives you a sense of what tables still need to be worked on. Also, if someone owns a machine on this list, they might feel inclined to help contribute. An idea along the same lines would be to see if we can get some assistance from the guys on pinside or some other pinball forums. These guys have all of these machines, and if we ask nicely enough, maybe they'll do some scanning for us, or at least take some HD pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xio Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 BF wip is not really in progress right now, I'm waiting to release Twister before going on, and need some specific pics as the PF image is not good enough to make some insert lights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurich Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I'm way in the quality over quantity camp. It would be great to fill out the Pinside top 100, but I'm also into taking some of the great tables that we already have and polishing them up a bit. I know that I personally go in and add higher quality graphics to tables I download (I don't share them since I don't have permission). Like the blown out playfield graphics on the daytime version of Twilight Zone for instance. It bothered me that the skin tones on the people were washed out to white and the shading on the rocket was gone, etc, so I found a playfield photo and manipulated it to match up to the existing graphic so I could mask in higher quality areas over the spots that weren't interactive (so I left all the inserts to make sure nothing looked off when they switched on for instance). I wouldn't ever upload someone's modded table, but is it a breach of ettiquite to upload a new playfield jpg that people could swap in themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurich Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Somewhat related, it seems that it would be pretty safe at this point for FS tables to standardize on 1080p graphics, it seems like just about every cab built uses that for the playfield. That would help a ton. Sometimes I see these huge playfield scans, and then realize that they're being shrunk down to 1024 pixels (or worse, horribly jpeg compressed in a misguided attempt to cut down on file size of an upload or something). I don't mean to dump on anyone's hard work, at all, just observing. I'm trying to put my money where my mouth is, starting with the new B2S Scared Stiff backglass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider bent98 Posted February 26, 2013 Author Content Provider Share Posted February 26, 2013 I rest my case. I mean come on. Why bother? http://vpuniverse.com/forums/uploads/images/1361912184.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmueck Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I rest my case. I mean come on. Why bother? I dare you to do it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider Zarquon Posted February 26, 2013 Content Provider Share Posted February 26, 2013 What would be nice is a list somewhere with a rating system for not just whether you like a table but quality of the physics and quality of the graphics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider DeeGor Posted February 26, 2013 Content Provider Share Posted February 26, 2013 We are all trying to accomplish the same goal. An awesome pinball emulator that we can play all of our favorite pinball tables on. If we don't push each other to strive for greater, we won't ever get there. The Austin Powers example Bent provided, IMO doesn't look very good, and I'm sure it could be improved. It was probably awesome several years ago, but Doom was awesome when it first came out too. I don't see a problem having a list of tables that haven't been done, or could use a nice cosmetic upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider unclewilly Posted February 26, 2013 Content Provider Share Posted February 26, 2013 Yes it would be nice to have a list and to see who is working on what. As I know a few tables I had resources and redraws for other people have decided to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teppotee Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I think we need a better list of good resources that are available to everyone in the community. Every now and then I can see in some topic that there are really great high resolution playfields in the community but those are not in the download section. They may have been shared with authors at some point but then those are just forgotten and that's a shame. For example Street Fighter 2 had a really low resolution version available and I only found the new highres redraw of the playfield by accident in one thread. I would think that there are more similar cases to be found. I would like to give a shot at few tables myself if better resources were available (for example Last Action Hero, Austin Powers...) but at the moment it's quite hard to know if resources might be available for a specific table or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Dazz Posted February 27, 2013 Administrators Share Posted February 27, 2013 Well, that's what request threads are for. Need a resource for a table, post a request. If the resource is available I'm sure someone will fill it if they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teppotee Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Yeah... I know. But it would be nicer if the resources were in one place to browse. If I find something I like -> I could give it a try on my own without specific requests. It might turn into something or not. And that's why I don't want anyone to do any additional work for my resources. At least in the beginning. But that might just be me Anyway... this might be a good thread to share if anyone has resources for any of these tables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider unclewilly Posted February 27, 2013 Content Provider Share Posted February 27, 2013 I have a bunch of redraws by grizz. When I have some time to go through them I will make a list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faralos Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 IMO even swapping out a play field for a better one should require permission from the original table builder I know if I spent weeks doing a play field only to have someone else swap it out without my permission I'd be a tad peeved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teppotee Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I don't think anyone suggested that any graphics would be used without permission or credit. Or that updated/modded tables would be released without proper permissions from the original authors. Normal guidelines should be followed of course. My point was only that if all resources were more easily available then it would be much easier to get started/inspired to create something new. For example the tables mentioned in this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurich Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 IMO even swapping out a play field for a better oneshould require permission from the original table builder I know if I spent weeks doing a play field only to have someone else swap it out without my permission I'd be a tad peeved! I assume you're speaking of someone swapping the playfield and then releasing the table back out with the change? No one has done that or is talking about that that I'm aware of. I sure wouldn't. I'm not going to ask someone's permission to modify my own for my personal use though. And frankly I wouldn't ask permission before posting up a jpg of my own playfield for someone else to do a mod with themselves if they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider Zarquon Posted February 28, 2013 Content Provider Share Posted February 28, 2013 IMO even swapping out a play field for a better oneshould require permission from the original table builder I know if I spent weeks doing a play field only to have someone else swap it out without my permission I'd be a tad peeved! I think we both agree that table author's should have the right to control how their content is used / modified / distributed and in the case you cite the author should have a say into weather the table is modified with a improved playfield. That said, I guess it is my development background and the way I see things is that tables should be developed in a more open source way. I think the community would greatly benefit and we would see more tables released in a timely fashion, and we would also see a increase in the quality of the tables. As new features in the software appear tables could be updated and improved to take advantage of said new technologies by many people and not have to wait for the original authors to go back to tables they have long forgotten. In short I wish all tables were released under a modified GNU GPL model or more specifically under a Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported license as long as credit is given to those providing assets be it graphics or code. Modification should be encouraged as long as it is improving the end product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troyguitarman Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 here are my top 4 Jungle Lord Evil Kneivel Defender Millionaire laser tech I managed to rotate and scale and position no problem! I know also how to import and export graphics due to a old ati card i had that wouldn't render bitmaps. I can' tfigure out how to move EM reels/ DMD to the backgound to convert Jungle and defender, Evil only the flippers move. do I need to learn how to edit LEDS in the script? I right click move to back ground nothing happens. I guees i'll try move things to the forground next try! you can't delete lights, they are in the script. maybe if I delete them they will show up red in the script so I will know where they are! I guess I will learn someday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troyguitarman Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Pharaoh has been done same time period why not Jungle Lord also! Ya and Defender probably the greatest arcade game ever made and we don't even have a full screen of the actual pinball machine, Its hard to believe! I guess everyone has their own opinions! Wish I knew how to make one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmueck Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Wish I knew how to make one! Living is learning. Start reading a table building tutorial and you shall be enlightend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Content Provider bent98 Posted March 3, 2013 Author Content Provider Share Posted March 3, 2013 I'm way in the quality over quantity camp. It would be great to fill out the Pinside top 100, but I'm also into taking some of the great tables that we already have and polishing them up a bit. I know that I personally go in and add higher quality graphics to tables I download (I don't share them since I don't have permission). Like the blown out playfield graphics on the daytime version of Twilight Zone for instance. It bothered me that the skin tones on the people were washed out to white and the shading on the rocket was gone, etc, so I found a playfield photo and manipulated it to match up to the existing graphic so I could mask in higher quality areas over the spots that weren't interactive (so I left all the inserts to make sure nothing looked off when they switched on for instance). I wouldn't ever upload someone's modded table, but is it a breach of ettiquite to upload a new playfield jpg that people could swap in themselves? No, you can release the of or plastic images and then user can important them. Please do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurich Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 No, you can release the of or plastic images and then user can important them. Please do. For instance this is the playfield I use for the daytime version of Twilight Zone: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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