3D w/Glasses and VPX - Where to start?

[redbone]

Can anyone please direct me to the 101 of where to get started with 3d glasses and VPX?  I'm jumping in on this whole thing late and having trouble figuring out where to begin from the  software perspective and which glasses to get.

Thanks!

[Korg82]

If you are referring to 3D anaglyph, I wouldn't recommend it as it would be terrible image quality and color? 

Better off to buy a HP Reverb G2 VR headset and build a controller cab and run VPXVR if immersion is your goal. You need a hefty PC for that headset though (like a Ryzen 5600X O.C. with a RTX3080 video card) as it's beyond 4k resolution @ 90Hz. But no screen door effect. It has excellent image quality and it's comfortable with good audio. 

 

Edited January 5, 2023 by Korg82

[redbone]

These guys seemed pretty impressed about it???  No?
 

 

 

[Wylte]

4 hours ago, redbone said:

These guys seemed pretty impressed about it???  No?
 

 

 

It probably is cool enough, but those guys are acting to sell a product they didn't even develop, on software they're selling that they also didn't make.  Eat shit, Dave

[scutters]

If it's anaglyph 3D you're interested in then have a read of this thread - https://www.vpforums.org/index.php?showtopic=48019

 

Basically you have two choices to enable anaglyph, inbuilt VPX anaglyph or using ReShade. ReShade has more overhead on performance but is a lot easier to dial in the numbers on (as you can do it interactively).

 

Lots of options for glasses and colours, but i'd say stick with anachrome, trioviz or colourcode branded glasses and their respective 3D modes. Cheaper glasses will result in poor colour and a bad experience. You will need some patience to dial in your settings but when set up correctly it works very well.

[Macmillankeinath]

On 1/6/2023 at 3:50 PM, scutters said:

If it's anaglyph 3D you're interested in then have a read of this thread - https://www.vpforums.org/index.php?showtopic=48019

 

Basically you have two choices to enable anaglyph, inbuilt VPX anaglyph or using ReShade. ReShade has more overhead on performance but is a lot easier to dial in the numbers on (as you can do it interactively).

 

Lots of options for glasses and colours, but i'd say stick with anachrome, trioviz or colourcode branded glasses and their respective 3D modes. Cheaper glasses will result in poor colour and a bad experience. You will need some patience to dial in your settings but when set up correctly it works very well.

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Edited May 17, 2023 by Macmillankeinath

[FieryPhoenix]

Rather than start a new thread thought best to hop on this one.

 

Just to be clear to try 3D in VPX u using the Open GL version I don't need a 3D TV, the anaglyph option will do it for you.

 

Can anyone advise the best colour option glasses though, quite a few different types....I'm aware this just gives more depth, just want to know best option for good results and decent colour (or will it be in 2 colours?)

 

Many thanks

[Supergibson]

@FieryPhoenix Did you ever get an answer on this?

I went ahead with TrioViz glasses and using ReShade to dial in the settings. Reshade is SO much better than the built-in VPX anaglyph. It looks amazing.

 

You can pick up a pair of Trioviz glasses on Ebay or Amazon for less than $20. Bonus, they are quite comfortable with a wide field of view so you can play for long periods with them.

 

1) The screen is still watchable with the glasses off which is good if you have guests.
2) It's easy to change reshade profiles between 3D and regular

3) Trioviz give the best colour retention for anaglyph

Check this video out for more info: (queued up at the part about reshade settings but you can rewind to the start for more info)

 

[FieryPhoenix]

Hey man. I went for the TrioViz glasses too . I also bought a different cheapo pair from eBay that work ok (diff colour lenses) just press F10 to change ingame

 

Both, especially the TriViz ones, keeps the colour of the tables good as well.

 

Off the top of my head best tables in 3D have been Guardians of the Galaxy, Batman 66, T2, new VPW Addams Family are great too.

 

I used VPX GL version for the 3D tables, not standard VPX and I found it worked great, plus some table adjustments of the  incline in editing improves it.  I gave Reshade a go but didn't have much luck with it

[Fir3b0x]

On 9/7/2024 at 8:13 AM, FieryPhoenix said:

Hey man. I went for the TrioViz glasses too . I also bought a different cheapo pair from eBay that work ok (diff colour lenses) just press F10 to change ingame

 

Both, especially the TriViz ones, keeps the colour of the tables good as well.

 

Off the top of my head best tables in 3D have been Guardians of the Galaxy, Batman 66, T2, new VPW Addams Family are great too.

 

I used VPX GL version for the 3D tables, not standard VPX and I found it worked great, plus some table adjustments of the  incline in editing improves it.  I gave Reshade a go but didn't have much luck with it

Hey mate, would you mind sharing the settings you are using in VPX GL version with the Trioviz glasses? I haven’t been able to get these working well so far.

 

cheers.

[FieryPhoenix]

Hi pal - make sure using the latest GL version as I am sure they have improved on the anaglyph settings massively from older versions.  You can change display mode in main VPX settings for global / all tables or specific ones - under Stereo 3D Settings

 

You can also press F10 in game to cycle through the different anaglyph options to see which is best.  It depends on the colour of the 3D glasses lenses.

Edited January 7, 2025 by FieryPhoenix

[Fir3b0x]

9 hours ago, FieryPhoenix said:

Hi pal - make sure using the latest GL version as I am sure they have improved on the anaglyph settings massively from older versions.  You can change display mode in main VPX settings for global / all tables or specific ones - under Stereo 3D Settings

 

You can also press F10 in game to cycle through the different anaglyph options to see which is best.  It depends on the colour of the 3D glasses lenses.

Thanks mate, grabbed the latest GL version and got some very impressive results using the non-fake 3D mode. Some strange behaviour where the 3D gets messed up while cycling through modes, though launching with the magenta/green setting initially works without issue (think I will need to use a separate ini file for 3D from the front end).

I’m using Trioviz glasses and they mostly work ok. I’ve got some different types of glasses on the way to see how they compare.

[falumpagus907]

There are two sets of glasses for the built-in anaglyph that people in the vpc discord recommend. The aviators and the neurotrackers. The aviator apparently have better colors and the neurotrackers have less ghosting. I use the neurotrackers and have been pretty impressed with them. Once in a while I'll boot into 3d using a custom script in popper to play. Mostly I use them to get a spot on pov. Definitely check out the anaglyph-3d channel under software in the Virtual Pinball Chat discord and read up on people's opinions.

 

Also don't forget to setup the calibration for which ever pair you end up getting.

Edited January 8, 2025 by falumpagus907

[cl4ve]

On 9/6/2024 at 1:28 PM, Supergibson said:

@FieryPhoenix Did you ever get an answer on this?

I went ahead with TrioViz glasses and using ReShade to dial in the settings. Reshade is SO much better than the built-in VPX anaglyph. It looks amazing.

 

You can pick up a pair of Trioviz glasses on Ebay or Amazon for less than $20. Bonus, they are quite comfortable with a wide field of view so you can play for long periods with them.

 

1) The screen is still watchable with the glasses off which is good if you have guests.
2) It's easy to change reshade profiles between 3D and regular

3) Trioviz give the best colour retention for anaglyph

Check this video out for more info: (queued up at the part about reshade settings but you can rewind to the start for more info)

 

this is how i do it

 

[emanoel299]

Hi guys

 

For me no way anymore to play in 2D, even 4K playfield or 3D anaglyph mode.

I have a real passive 3D TV in the playfield and I spend a long time searching for others anywhere and bought some of them.

Although you loose half vertical resolution in VPX GL flipped interlaced mode, but is another world to play with all colours.

VR is the best but is tired to play for a long time.

If you are looking to play close a real machine, spend a time to looking for a passive 3D TV.

 

[DanLShane]

What size/brand is your 3D TV?  Very hard to find a 32" set to fit in my ALP.

[emanoel299]

On 5/11/2025 at 9:29 PM, DanLShane said:

What size/brand is your 3D TV?  Very hard to find a 32" set to fit in my ALP.

The TV´s playfields are:

LG TV 42LM6400 - 3D

LG TV 42LM6200 - 3D

LG TV 42LA6200 - 3D

LG TV 42LM5800 - 3D

LG TV 47LM5800 - 3D 

[DanLShane]

Thanks for the response.  I'm researching some passive 3D 32" offerings on eBay and FB Marketplace. It will be an interesting experiment.

[emanoel299]

4 hours ago, DanLShane said:

Thanks for the response.  I'm researching some passive 3D 32" offerings on eBay and FB Marketplace. It will be an interesting experiment.

Yeah

 

Well, it´s my feeling. Many peopleo like to play in High definition and resolution.

It´s look great but, for me pinball is not a like a PC game so, as Visual Pinball brings this possibity, why not to use?

VR is great but is tired if played for a long time.

 

It would be better to looking for 42". I think 32" is too small but you can try and if your better condition to find a TV.

VPX use passive method so you need to looking for passive 3D. LG´s TV use it. Sony and Samsung are Active 3D and needs another type of approach.

 

Take in mind the my setups below:

 

Once 3D TV is based as a playfield, at first you´ll need to config your best vídeo settings for hardware configuration, if not, be sure, there will be FPS loosing.

But, if you have a power PC configuration, no problem.

 

Take in mind that in passive 3D you loose vertical resolution. There will half vertical resolution for each eye.

You see scanlines a bit on TV

TV 42" 3D passive.

(VPX DX is fake stereo and is not good. It is better to use with Reshade but VPX GL with native 3D is the best)

VPX 10.8 GL last realease (I use to play from 1862 edition)

Built in VPX GL 3D.

No fake stereo

eye separation 60.0

Max.ambiente oclusion - Disable AO

Max.reflection mode - Disable reflection

Synchronization mode - No Sync

Anti-Aliasing - MSAA Samples - Disable

                            - Supersampling - Disable

                            - Post-processed AA - Standard FXAA

                            - Sharpen - Disable

 

In my case, the hardware configuration is cheaper as follow:

 

I7 3770

Mother board H61

16 GB DDR3

Power supply 750W

SSD 480 GB

GPU GTX 1660 TI 6GB

 

Once your vídeo settings is configured, let´s start how to create the best .INI file for the best 3D view.

It is strongly important no change the stereo 3D to side by side (SBS) or Top Down mode because if not it will need to change TV 3D settings mode too.

If you playing with some frontend as PinUp player or Pinball X this options don´t work fine for that frontend, so, Flipped Line Interlaced is the best option because you don´t need to change in 3D TV modes

Also I recommend to use your personal Image settings in Game mode on 3D TV.

You can adjust LED Backlight, Brightness, contrast and saturation as you better view but take care about Sharpness. Old LG 3D TV need more Sharpness around 55 - 65 and some newest 3D  LG TV needs less Sharpness around 15 – 25. You need to try which is better

Take in mind that the best 3D view is only for you or other personal with same height as you.

Highest personal for the same .INI file will watch more depth than you and lower personal will feel less depth than you.

Put the table.vpx and table.directB2s at Table folder

Open VPX GL program and open the table.vpx

Put the 3D passive glasses on your face

Run the table in câmera mode

Some tables will open direct in Legacy mode page

Some tables will open direct in rules page, if was the case, change the page with LEFT or RIGHT CRTL untill Legacy page.

Once on Legacy page, scroll down with CTRL untill Legacy mode and press RIGHT or LEFT SHIFT untill Window mode then press enter

The table will show the depth according your Cabinet layout settings in vídeo setting section

Now, use CTRL to scroll down or up and follow this sequence

adjust Table X Scale

adjust Table YZ Scale

adjust Player Z position. I like to use betwenn 50 and 60 to get a better Depth but sometimes untill 45

adjust a bit Player Y if necessary

If want a you better view

Adjust window Top Z ofs to down

Adjust window Bottom Z ofs to up

You can enlarge the top table to bellow the Backglass, so, Combine Vertical offset with Table YZ Scale

Press “1” to save your table.INI file

Close the table and run it in normal play

Then you will feel close a real Pinball Machine.

 

I hope you find a TV and enjoy it after that.

Any questions, don´t hesited to contact me.

 

Atlantis (Bally 1989) w VR Room v2.0 LW.ini

Edited May 15, 2025 by emanoel299
More informations

[DanLShane]

Thanks for all the tips.  I have use a 32" screen to replace the current monitor in my AtGames Legends Pinball.  Currently I have an LG UltraGear 2K monitor installed, and anaglyph 3D in VPX GL-64 looks and plays great.  Still, I want to try passive 3D to get the full color on the playfield.  I can always revert if the FPS don't suit.

[DanLShane]

I located a 32" 1080p passive 3D TV and installed it this morning. While it was a joy to see full color and impressive depth, I just can't accept the tradeoff with the lower resolution and visible scan lines.  I put the UltraGear 2K screen back in the machine. 

 

If 32" 4K 3D monitors had ever been produced, I believe that would have been good enough to make me happy. I own three 65" LG 4K TVs, and UHD resolution allows for full 1080p for each eye.  Maybe someday 3D will stage a comeback -- I sure would love to have it in my vpin.

[emanoel299]

 

@DanLShane

Sorry for late repply

 

To get a good VPX GL 3D view, set the TV to "Game mode"

Less Backlight, brightness and sharpness will gave a better view.

In VPX GL video settings, set "Dynamic AO" and "DisableReflections"

"Flipped interlaced LG" and "eye separation 60.0".

I uploaded to VP site all my 3D INI files. Download it for your test if you want.

Unfortunatelly, the scanlines is the price for any passive VPX GL/DX 3D method.

The bluray method is "frame packing" where is the best, keeping the full resolution

Some 3D LG TV has this method where it is my case.

If VPX GL had, maybe it would be better.

Edited February 15 by emanoel299