Retro Play vs Xtreme Gaming Cabinets for Virtual Pinball.

[namine]

So I'm thinking of not bothering with going with my original idea of getting a 3 screen virtual pinball machine with 720+ games for £3100 (including pinball plunger, official bally/williams legs and decal art), but I was recommended to not bother with that one and go with a full size pinball machine (VPIN) from Retro Play. 

 

Now this is all fine and dandy, the pinball machines look amazing, and are really made up well...not to mention Dave from Retro Play has replied and said that he would be able to ship to the UK (for around £650-£700 shipping), but I have gone onto another website - Xtreme Gaming Cabinets and this is where I notice that they do "mini" style virtual pinball machines (ala Arcade1Up and AtGames Legends Pinball sized), which is great, so my question to you all is this -

 

Which one do I go for - Retro Play's Virtual Pin or Xtreme Gaming Cabinets' mini pin?

[Wylte]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "Dave from Retro Play" one of the the bad actors in the community, constantly causing shit?

 

Quick Google to double-check my memory: https://www.vpforums.org/index.php?showtopic=46736&p=476959

[namine]

So to clarify, this is the one I was going to order - 

https://www.arcadeland.co.uk/product/full-4k-3-screen-virtual-pinball-machine-with-force-feedback/

 

Which would have had the following tables -

FX2/FX3 -

1x1, A-Force, Age of Ultron, Alien vs Predator, Alien: Isolation, Aliens, American Dad, Ant-Man, Archer, Arsenal Football, Attack from Mars, Back to the Future, Battle of Mimban, Barcelona Football, Biolab, Black Rose, Blade, Bobba Fett, Bob's Burgers, Butter's Very Own Pinball Game, Captain America, Castle Storm, Champion Pub, Champions, Cirqus Voltaire, Civil War, Clone wars, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Darth Vader, Deadpool, Doctor Strange, DOOM, Droids, Earth Defense, El Dorado, Epic Quest, Episode IV: A New Hope, Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back, Episode VI: The Return of the Jedi, Episode VII: The Force Awakens, E.T - The Extra Terrestrial, Excalibur, Fallout, Family Guy, Fantastic Four, Fear Itself, Fish Tales, Getaway: High Speed II, Ghost Rider, Guardians of the Galaxy, Han Solo, Hercules, Hurricane, Infinity Gauntlet, Iron Man, Jaws, Junkyard, Jurassic Park, Jurassic World, Jurassic Park: Pinball Mayhem (They have it listed as "Jurassic World Theme Park" -_-), Juventus Football, Liverpool Football, Mars, Masters of the Force, Medieval Madness, Might of the First Order, Milan Football, Moon Knight, Monster Bash, No Good Gofers, Paranormal, Party Zone, Pasha, Plants vs Zombies, Portal, Real Madrid Football, Rebels, Red Cup 2, Red & Teds Roadshow, Rogue One, Roma, Rome, Safe Cracker, Secrets of the Deep, SFX (I haven't a clue which table in FX2/FX3 it is!), Shaman, Skyrim, SOLO, Sorcerer's Lair, South Park's Super Sweet Pinball, Spider-Man, Splosion Man, Starfighter Assault, Star Wars, Tales of the Arabian Nights, Tesla, Theatre of Magic, The Avengers, The Walking Dead, Thor, V12, Venom, Wild Wast Rampage, Wolverine, World War Hulk, X-Men, Zen Football.

 

Visual Pinball -

Alien Trilogy, Barb Wire, Batman PuP Edition (Why this is here I don't know, it should be in the PuP list!), Batman, Batman Returns, Berzerk, Bubba the Redneck Werewolf, Champions League Football, Children of the Corn, Cirqus Voltaire, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Crysis, Cybernaut, Diablo Pinball, Dirty Harry, Disney Princesses, Dragon Ball Z, Embryon, Escape from New York, The Flash LE, Frozen, Gargamel Park, Ghostbusters LE 1.0, Ghostbusters LE 1.2, Ghostbusters JP Slimer Mod, Goldorak, Guns n Roses, Half Life, Halloween: Michael Myers Pinball Adventures, Harley Davidson, Harley Quinn, Judas Priest, King Kong, KISS (Stern), Legend of Zelda, Monopoly, Mortal Kombat II, Need for Speed, Paragon, Pet Sematary, Pokemon Pinball, Prison Break, Rat Fink, Retro Zombie Adventure Land, Ripley's Believe it or Not, Robocop 3, Serious Sam Pinball, Shovel Knight, Shrek, Simpsons Pinball Party, Smurfette, Sons of Anarchy, Space Station, Spider-Man, Stranger Things, Street Fighter II, Streets of Rage, Super Mario Bros, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Terminator 1, Terminator Salvation, The Batman Begins, The Delta Force, The Last of Us, The Walking Dead (Stern), Time Machine, The Who's Tommy, Turrican, The Twilight Zone, The Twilight Zone 2.1, Vector and White Water. 

 

VPX PuP Packs -

Back to the Future, Batman '66, Bugs Bunny's Birthday Ball, Champions League Football, Clue 1.2, F-14 Tomcat, The Getaway: High Speed II, Harry Potter, Iron Man, Jaws, Lethal Weapon 3, Masters of the Universe, Medieval Madness, Monster Bash, Pirates of the Caribbean, Spider-Man, Star Trek Enterprise Limited Edition, Stranger Things Special, Super Mario Bros, Tax, Team America World Police, Terminator 2, The Leprechaun King, The Original Batman '66, The Walking Dead, Tom & Jerry, Transformers, Tron Legacy, Twilight Zone, WoZ, X-Men.

 

Future Pinball -

Abra Ca Dabra, AC/DC Devil Girl, AC/DC Diabolical Girl, Addams Family, Alien Poker, Aliens Legacy, Aliens Legacy SE, Apollo 13 LED, Apollo 13 ZED, Attack from Mars, Attack from Mars SE, Austin Powers, Avatar, Back to the Future, Back to the Future SE, Big Bang Bar, Billion Dollar Game Show, Black Knight, Bride of Pinbot SE, Bubble Bobble, Bugs Bunny's Birthday Ball, Checkpoint 1.1, Checkpoint 1.1.10, Checkpoint 1.1 Night mod, Checkpoint 1.1.10 Night mod, Cirqus Voltaire, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Cyclone, Dead Hunters, Die Hard, Dragons Lair, Eight Ball Deluxe, ELVIS (Stern) ELVIS Night mod, F-14 Tomcat, F-14 Tomcat SE, Family Guy, Fish Tales, Flash Gordon, Flash Gordon SE, Flight 2000, Fortnite, Funhouse, Futurama, Goldorak, Gorgar, Gorgar Mega 1.5, Gremlins, Harry Potter, Ice Fever, Indiana Jones, Indiana Jones & Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Lego Indiana Jones, Indiana Jones Ultimatom 3.0, Iron Maiden, Iron Man SE, Iron Man 2.0 Iron Man Rapid Loader Mod, Jaws Ultimate, Jurassic Park, Jurassic Park SE, KISS, Knight Rider, Krull Evolution, 24, 3 Angels, 5th Element, Lethal Weapon 3, Lord of the Rings, Masters of the Universe Mastered, Masters of the Universe Mastered SE, Medieval Madness SE, Metal Slug, METALLICA, METALLICA 2.1, Mickey Mouse, Minions, Monster Bash, Mr & Mrs Pac-Man, Mr & Mrs Pac-Man Night Mod, Nightmare on Elm Street, Paragon 2, Party Zone, Phantom of the Opera, Pinbot, Pirates, Raven, Red Dwarf, Retro Flair, Road Girls, Robocop, Robots Invasion Dr. Mod, Scared Stiff, Sharkey's Shootout, Simpsons Pinball Party, Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog Ult, Sons of Anarchy, Sorcerer, Space Invaders, Space Station, Speed Devils SE, Spider-Man, Star Trek, Star Trek Ult, Star Trek 20th Anniversary Edition, Star Trek SE, Star Wars Battle of Hoth, Star Wars Death Star, Star Wars Empire Edition, Star Wars Arcade, Star Wars Death Star Attack, Steel Wheel SE, Street Fighter II, Super Mario Mushroom World, Superman SE, Tales from the Crypt, Taxi, Tee'd Off, Tee'd Off SE, Terminator 2 Skynet, Terminator 2 SE, The Addams Family Anniversary, The Beatles - The Pinball, The Dark Knight, The Goonies, The Goonies SE, The Shadow, Thunderbirds, Tombstone, Total Recall, Tales of the Arabian Nights, Transformers SE, Trapped in Wonderland, Tron Legacy, Twilight Zone, Wacky Races, War of the Worlds, Whirlwind, Wild West, Wipeout, Wizard of Oz, World Cup Soccer '94, X-Files.

 

Now most likely you're thinking "Why the heck have these people put multiples of tables in different sections!?" and I agree, there's not a lot of need to have 2x Spider-Man tables or 4x Star Trek tables etc. It's just overkill....not to mention after you've removed the multiple tables, you're left with this -

 

Visual Pinball -

Barb Wire, Batman, Dirty Harry, Ghostbusters LE 1.2, Guns n Roses, Harley Davidson, King Kong, KISS (Stern), Monopoly, Paragon, Ripley's Believe it or Not, Shrek, Simpsons Pinball Party, Space Station, Spider-Man, Street Fighter II, Streets of Rage, Super Mario Bros, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, The Walking Dead (Stern), Time Machine, The Who's Tommy, The Twilight Zone, Vector, White Water. 

 

VPX PuP Packs -

Back to the Future, Batman '66, Batman PuP Edition (I moved that from the Visual Pinball list to PuP list!),Bugs Bunny's Birthday Ball, F-14 Tomcat, The Getaway: High Speed II, Harry Potter, Iron Man, Jaws, Lethal Weapon 3, Masters of the Universe, Medieval Madness, Monster Bash, Pirates of the Caribbean, Spider-Man, Star Trek Enterprise Limited Edition, Stranger Things Special, Super Mario Bros, Terminator 2, The Walking Dead, Tom & Jerry, Transformers, Tron Legacy, Twilight Zone, Wizard of Oz, X-Men.

 

Future Pinball -

Abra Ca Dabra0, AC/DC Diabolical Girl, Alien Poker, Apollo 13 LED, Austin Powers, Avatar, Back to the Future, Big Bang Bar, Billion Dollar Game Show, Black Knight, Bride of Pinbot SE, Bugs Bunny's Birthday Ball, Checkpoint 1.1.10, Cyclone, Eight Ball Deluxe, ELVIS (Stern), F-14 Tomcat, Family Guy, Flash Gordon, Flight 2000, Funhouse, Indiana Jones, Indiana Jones Ultimatom 3.0, Iron Man 2.0, Jurassic Park, KISS, 24, Lethal Weapon 3, Lord of the Rings, METALLICA 2.1, Mr & Mrs Pac-Man, Nightmare on Elm Street, Phantom of the Opera, Pinbot, Robocop, Scared Stiff, Sharkey's Shootout, Sorcerer, Space Invaders, Speed Devils SE, Star Trek, Star Trek 20th Anniversary Edition, Star Trek SE, Steel Wheel SE, Super Mario Mushroom World, Superman SE, Tales from the Crypt, Taxi, Tee'd Off, Terminator 2 Skynet, The Addams Family Anniversary, The Beatles - The Pinball, The Dark Knight, The Goonies,  The Shadow, Thunderbirds, Transformers SE, Tron Legacy, Wacky Races, War of the Worlds, Whirlwind, World Cup Soccer '94, X-Files.

[Wylte]

 

[Dazz]

3 hours ago, namine said:

So to clarify, this is the one I was going to order - 

https://www.arcadeland.co.uk/product/full-4k-3-screen-virtual-pinball-machine-with-force-feedback/

 

Which would have had the following tables -

FX2/FX3 -

1x1, A-Force, Age of Ultron, Alien vs Predator, Alien: Isolation, Aliens, American Dad, Ant-Man, Archer, Arsenal Football, Attack from Mars, Back to the Future, Battle of Mimban, Barcelona Football, Biolab, Black Rose, Blade, Bobba Fett, Bob's Burgers, Butter's Very Own Pinball Game, Captain America, Castle Storm, Champion Pub, Champions, Cirqus Voltaire, Civil War, Clone wars, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Darth Vader, Deadpool, Doctor Strange, DOOM, Droids, Earth Defense, El Dorado, Epic Quest, Episode IV: A New Hope, Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back, Episode VI: The Return of the Jedi, Episode VII: The Force Awakens, E.T - The Extra Terrestrial, Excalibur, Fallout, Family Guy, Fantastic Four, Fear Itself, Fish Tales, Getaway: High Speed II, Ghost Rider, Guardians of the Galaxy, Han Solo, Hercules, Hurricane, Infinity Gauntlet, Iron Man, Jaws, Junkyard, Jurassic Park, Jurassic World, Jurassic Park: Pinball Mayhem (They have it listed as "Jurassic World Theme Park" -_-), Juventus Football, Liverpool Football, Mars, Masters of the Force, Medieval Madness, Might of the First Order, Milan Football, Moon Knight, Monster Bash, No Good Gofers, Paranormal, Party Zone, Pasha, Plants vs Zombies, Portal, Real Madrid Football, Rebels, Red Cup 2, Red & Teds Roadshow, Rogue One, Roma, Rome, Safe Cracker, Secrets of the Deep, SFX (I haven't a clue which table in FX2/FX3 it is!), Shaman, Skyrim, SOLO, Sorcerer's Lair, South Park's Super Sweet Pinball, Spider-Man, Splosion Man, Starfighter Assault, Star Wars, Tales of the Arabian Nights, Tesla, Theatre of Magic, The Avengers, The Walking Dead, Thor, V12, Venom, Wild Wast Rampage, Wolverine, World War Hulk, X-Men, Zen Football.

 

Visual Pinball -

Alien Trilogy, Barb Wire, Batman PuP Edition (Why this is here I don't know, it should be in the PuP list!), Batman, Batman Returns, Berzerk, Bubba the Redneck Werewolf, Champions League Football, Children of the Corn, Cirqus Voltaire, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Crysis, Cybernaut, Diablo Pinball, Dirty Harry, Disney Princesses, Dragon Ball Z, Embryon, Escape from New York, The Flash LE, Frozen, Gargamel Park, Ghostbusters LE 1.0, Ghostbusters LE 1.2, Ghostbusters JP Slimer Mod, Goldorak, Guns n Roses, Half Life, Halloween: Michael Myers Pinball Adventures, Harley Davidson, Harley Quinn, Judas Priest, King Kong, KISS (Stern), Legend of Zelda, Monopoly, Mortal Kombat II, Need for Speed, Paragon, Pet Sematary, Pokemon Pinball, Prison Break, Rat Fink, Retro Zombie Adventure Land, Ripley's Believe it or Not, Robocop 3, Serious Sam Pinball, Shovel Knight, Shrek, Simpsons Pinball Party, Smurfette, Sons of Anarchy, Space Station, Spider-Man, Stranger Things, Street Fighter II, Streets of Rage, Super Mario Bros, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Terminator 1, Terminator Salvation, The Batman Begins, The Delta Force, The Last of Us, The Walking Dead (Stern), Time Machine, The Who's Tommy, Turrican, The Twilight Zone, The Twilight Zone 2.1, Vector and White Water. 

 

VPX PuP Packs -

Back to the Future, Batman '66, Bugs Bunny's Birthday Ball, Champions League Football, Clue 1.2, F-14 Tomcat, The Getaway: High Speed II, Harry Potter, Iron Man, Jaws, Lethal Weapon 3, Masters of the Universe, Medieval Madness, Monster Bash, Pirates of the Caribbean, Spider-Man, Star Trek Enterprise Limited Edition, Stranger Things Special, Super Mario Bros, Tax, Team America World Police, Terminator 2, The Leprechaun King, The Original Batman '66, The Walking Dead, Tom & Jerry, Transformers, Tron Legacy, Twilight Zone, WoZ, X-Men.

 

Future Pinball -

Abra Ca Dabra, AC/DC Devil Girl, AC/DC Diabolical Girl, Addams Family, Alien Poker, Aliens Legacy, Aliens Legacy SE, Apollo 13 LED, Apollo 13 ZED, Attack from Mars, Attack from Mars SE, Austin Powers, Avatar, Back to the Future, Back to the Future SE, Big Bang Bar, Billion Dollar Game Show, Black Knight, Bride of Pinbot SE, Bubble Bobble, Bugs Bunny's Birthday Ball, Checkpoint 1.1, Checkpoint 1.1.10, Checkpoint 1.1 Night mod, Checkpoint 1.1.10 Night mod, Cirqus Voltaire, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Cyclone, Dead Hunters, Die Hard, Dragons Lair, Eight Ball Deluxe, ELVIS (Stern) ELVIS Night mod, F-14 Tomcat, F-14 Tomcat SE, Family Guy, Fish Tales, Flash Gordon, Flash Gordon SE, Flight 2000, Fortnite, Funhouse, Futurama, Goldorak, Gorgar, Gorgar Mega 1.5, Gremlins, Harry Potter, Ice Fever, Indiana Jones, Indiana Jones & Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Lego Indiana Jones, Indiana Jones Ultimatom 3.0, Iron Maiden, Iron Man SE, Iron Man 2.0 Iron Man Rapid Loader Mod, Jaws Ultimate, Jurassic Park, Jurassic Park SE, KISS, Knight Rider, Krull Evolution, 24, 3 Angels, 5th Element, Lethal Weapon 3, Lord of the Rings, Masters of the Universe Mastered, Masters of the Universe Mastered SE, Medieval Madness SE, Metal Slug, METALLICA, METALLICA 2.1, Mickey Mouse, Minions, Monster Bash, Mr & Mrs Pac-Man, Mr & Mrs Pac-Man Night Mod, Nightmare on Elm Street, Paragon 2, Party Zone, Phantom of the Opera, Pinbot, Pirates, Raven, Red Dwarf, Retro Flair, Road Girls, Robocop, Robots Invasion Dr. Mod, Scared Stiff, Sharkey's Shootout, Simpsons Pinball Party, Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog Ult, Sons of Anarchy, Sorcerer, Space Invaders, Space Station, Speed Devils SE, Spider-Man, Star Trek, Star Trek Ult, Star Trek 20th Anniversary Edition, Star Trek SE, Star Wars Battle of Hoth, Star Wars Death Star, Star Wars Empire Edition, Star Wars Arcade, Star Wars Death Star Attack, Steel Wheel SE, Street Fighter II, Super Mario Mushroom World, Superman SE, Tales from the Crypt, Taxi, Tee'd Off, Tee'd Off SE, Terminator 2 Skynet, Terminator 2 SE, The Addams Family Anniversary, The Beatles - The Pinball, The Dark Knight, The Goonies, The Goonies SE, The Shadow, Thunderbirds, Tombstone, Total Recall, Tales of the Arabian Nights, Transformers SE, Trapped in Wonderland, Tron Legacy, Twilight Zone, Wacky Races, War of the Worlds, Whirlwind, Wild West, Wipeout, Wizard of Oz, World Cup Soccer '94, X-Files.

 

Now most likely you're thinking "Why the heck have these people put multiples of tables in different sections!?" and I agree, there's not a lot of need to have 2x Spider-Man tables or 4x Star Trek tables etc. It's just overkill....not to mention after you've removed the multiple tables, you're left with this -

 

Visual Pinball -

Barb Wire, Batman, Dirty Harry, Ghostbusters LE 1.2, Guns n Roses, Harley Davidson, King Kong, KISS (Stern), Monopoly, Paragon, Ripley's Believe it or Not, Shrek, Simpsons Pinball Party, Space Station, Spider-Man, Street Fighter II, Streets of Rage, Super Mario Bros, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, The Walking Dead (Stern), Time Machine, The Who's Tommy, The Twilight Zone, Vector, White Water. 

 

VPX PuP Packs -

Back to the Future, Batman '66, Batman PuP Edition (I moved that from the Visual Pinball list to PuP list!),Bugs Bunny's Birthday Ball, F-14 Tomcat, The Getaway: High Speed II, Harry Potter, Iron Man, Jaws, Lethal Weapon 3, Masters of the Universe, Medieval Madness, Monster Bash, Pirates of the Caribbean, Spider-Man, Star Trek Enterprise Limited Edition, Stranger Things Special, Super Mario Bros, Terminator 2, The Walking Dead, Tom & Jerry, Transformers, Tron Legacy, Twilight Zone, Wizard of Oz, X-Men.

 

Future Pinball -

Abra Ca Dabra0, AC/DC Diabolical Girl, Alien Poker, Apollo 13 LED, Austin Powers, Avatar, Back to the Future, Big Bang Bar, Billion Dollar Game Show, Black Knight, Bride of Pinbot SE, Bugs Bunny's Birthday Ball, Checkpoint 1.1.10, Cyclone, Eight Ball Deluxe, ELVIS (Stern), F-14 Tomcat, Family Guy, Flash Gordon, Flight 2000, Funhouse, Indiana Jones, Indiana Jones Ultimatom 3.0, Iron Man 2.0, Jurassic Park, KISS, 24, Lethal Weapon 3, Lord of the Rings, METALLICA 2.1, Mr & Mrs Pac-Man, Nightmare on Elm Street, Phantom of the Opera, Pinbot, Robocop, Scared Stiff, Sharkey's Shootout, Sorcerer, Space Invaders, Speed Devils SE, Star Trek, Star Trek 20th Anniversary Edition, Star Trek SE, Steel Wheel SE, Super Mario Mushroom World, Superman SE, Tales from the Crypt, Taxi, Tee'd Off, Terminator 2 Skynet, The Addams Family Anniversary, The Beatles - The Pinball, The Dark Knight, The Goonies,  The Shadow, Thunderbirds, Transformers SE, Tron Legacy, Wacky Races, War of the Worlds, Whirlwind, World Cup Soccer '94, X-Files.

Retro Play is a DICK.  No machine builder should be including any community created games.... PERIOD.

[namine]

2 minutes ago, Dazz said:

Retro Play is a DICK.  No machine builder should be including any community created games.... PERIOD.

what about Xtreme Gaming Cabinets?

[Wylte]

4 hours ago, namine said:

what about Xtreme Gaming Cabinets?

Are they packaging copyrighted and/or community content - that they don't own or have a license to use - with their tables?

 

Edit:  Looks like the answer is yes, yes they are. 

Edited October 7, 2021 by Wylte
Facts

[namine]

2 hours ago, Wylte said:

┐( ∵ )┌  Are they packaging copyrighted and/or community content - that they don't own or have a license to use - with their tables?

I dunno. I'm asking whether to go there for a VPin machine.

[Wylte]

@Namine, a big part of why the community doesn't like pack sellers is because they personally disrespect the people who make the content they are selling.  First, the software is explicitly licensed to be used non-commercially (VPX) or is being sold illegally (FX2/3).  When asked to remove a table from a pack or site, they mock the person/people asking and hide behind the excuse of "it's not your copyright" but also include explicitly copyrighted material (by Zen AND surprisingly many VP originals).  After that they just say to bring a lawsuit, but live in countries with weak IP laws (almost always Australia, weirdly).

Then, the builds they include are often out-of-date or broken in some other way, so creators get messages from people who aren't actually their "customers" so to speak, and waste time trying to help someone (who doesn't know what they're doing because they didn't set it up) fix something that isn't really their problem.

Finally, it just feels gross to put dozens of hours into something, then see that it has tons of downloads (with no comments or feedback) on a site that you have no intention of supporting.  Speaking from personal experience as a table author and VPW contributor, here.

I know it's more cozy over on the ripoff VPD where you can get purely positive feedback on this kind of stuff, but this is where *actual creators* can be found who want to continue improving the tables/art/sounds etc. that you enjoy on your virtual cab.

[fuintyes1970]

if i ever had the money buy a virtual pinball machine from Retro Play or Xtreme Gaming Cabinets i would pick Xtreme Gaming Cabinets first '...i dont think Retro Play isn't in same ball park as Xtreme Gaming Cabinets . if you ever notice when Dave does a YouTube one of his pinball machine he don't like to show what inside that pinball machine it like Dave is hiding something . to me i like to see what inside a pinball machine over seeing outside of pinball machine . and i seen few YouTube video's of Retro Play pinball machine and i thought Retro Play pinball machine was in same class as Xtreme gaming Cabinet  'it far from the truth but anyways i think Xtreme Gaming Cabinet makes best hands down virtual pinball machine you can buy out there only problem is cuz Xtreme gaming is so busy building pinball machines they have a 8 to 10 month waiting list 

[jadez]

They are all selling other peoples content and including it without now listing it that it is included. Xtreme guys been at it with few different names and has opened a factory now. Stern from what I hear has been paying attention. 

[namine]

On 12/23/2021 at 9:59 AM, jadez said:

They are all selling other peoples content and including it without now listing it that it is included. Xtreme guys been at it with few different names and has opened a factory now. Stern from what I hear has been paying attention. 

dang!

[MPTech]

I think all 3 of those manufacturers  are questionable and including tables / public software is VERY wrong. Don't expect support from these communities for any issues you encounter, that SHOULD BE from the manufacturer you purchased from (but don't hold your breath, they are notorious for ghosting customers after the sale).
I can highly recommend VirtuaPin. https://virtuapin.net/
My friend had one built and he installed his own PC and software. It's GREAT looking.

[namine]

8 hours ago, MPTech said:

I think all 3 of those manufacturers  are questionable and including tables / public software is VERY wrong. Don't expect support from these communities for any issues you encounter, that SHOULD BE from the manufacturer you purchased from (but don't hold your breath, they are notorious for ghosting customers after the sale).
I can highly recommend VirtuaPin. https://virtuapin.net/
My friend had one built and he installed his own PC and software. It's GREAT looking.

 

I am saving up to make one myself, I'm getting some quotes from B&Q on the wood for the main cabinet, and I've already got a PC for the VPX/Future Pinball/Baller Installer (which I'm using at the moment until I get a new PC) and I'm glad these people are getting kicked out of the pinball community for selling stuff that isn't theirs! 

 

Can someone close this post please. 

[MPTech]

18 hours ago, namine said:

 

I am saving up to make one myself, I'm getting some quotes from B&Q on the wood for the main cabinet, and I've already got a PC for the VPX/Future Pinball/Baller Installer (which I'm using at the moment until I get a new PC) and I'm glad these people are getting kicked out of the pinball community for selling stuff that isn't theirs! 

 

Can someone close this post please. 

I commend you for this decision. I think you will enjoy it more and will learn how to fix it.

[CREDIT-1]

Don't buy it! build it! 10 times cheaper, 100 times more fun and 1000 times more satisfying! I'm 2 weeks in and loving it. 

[namine]

7 hours ago, CREDIT-1 said:

Don't buy it! build it! 10 times cheaper, 100 times more fun and 1000 times more satisfying! I'm 2 weeks in and loving it. 

I'm not. Besides which, I don't want to be associated with a scammer.

[jestermgee]

Just thought i'd chuck in a voice on this one. 

I am a "maker" and will build everything and I love these communities. I have wanted to make a pinball machine for decades and was set on making a mechanical "coffee table" machine but that is harder and harder to do these days in Australia with lack of parts to get easily. I have had plans on a VPin machine for 10 years but kept putting it off and then everything in software changes and I have to research all over so I was thinking of an "off the shelf" option like Xtreme Gaming Crap but that thought died very quick when I looked into it and realised they are using community made assets that specifically state for non-commercial use and they have that sneaky disclaimer that they DO NOT sell software, only the hardware and include the software for free etc. 

 

This seems like a real grey area because they are doing the work of downloading tables, installing them and I would assume configuring them all but now I have started my journey and designing and building my own system so I can learn all about the way it works, maintain and update it and of course have the enjoyment of making it with my hands I have realized there is a LOT of work just in downloading all the files for tables, testing them, troubleshooting issues and looking up fixes. I highly doubt they are doing all that for the 1000+ tables they recon they supply and then the cost of their machines is very high for the same gear I have purchased for the same task, my build is looking to be about $4k cheaper than their top $12k option, even having to buy expensive parts and they would have much cheaper manufactured parts. 

It kind of makes me a little angry TBH than they can essentially take all this work from users and just profit off it, people like that are the ones that hurt communities like this. I mean I get that this kind of thing is not for everyone to do and some want an off the shelf solution but I would imagine down the line when it comes time to update your software or you have an issue it would be impossible to get support for it let alone the fact I am sure they are not donating anything to this or any other community.

If they just sold the cab and parts i'd be right into what they do but they don't even offer parts or cabs as an option, just full built systems and that seems completely wrong to me. 

[namine]

41 minutes ago, jestermgee said:

Just thought i'd chuck in a voice on this one. 

I am a "maker" and will build everything and I love these communities. I have wanted to make a pinball machine for decades and was set on making a mechanical "coffee table" machine but that is harder and harder to do these days in Australia with lack of parts to get easily. I have had plans on a VPin machine for 10 years but kept putting it off and then everything in software changes and I have to research all over so I was thinking of an "off the shelf" option like Xtreme Gaming Crap but that thought died very quick when I looked into it and realised they are using community made assets that specifically state for non-commercial use and they have that sneaky disclaimer that they DO NOT sell software, only the hardware and include the software for free etc. 

 

This seems like a real grey area because they are doing the work of downloading tables, installing them and I would assume configuring them all but now I have started my journey and designing and building my own system so I can learn all about the way it works, maintain and update it and of course have the enjoyment of making it with my hands I have realized there is a LOT of work just in downloading all the files for tables, testing them, troubleshooting issues and looking up fixes. I highly doubt they are doing all that for the 1000+ tables they recon they supply and then the cost of their machines is very high for the same gear I have purchased for the same task, my build is looking to be about $4k cheaper than their top $12k option, even having to buy expensive parts and they would have much cheaper manufactured parts. 

It kind of makes me a little angry TBH than they can essentially take all this work from users and just profit off it, people like that are the ones that hurt communities like this. I mean I get that this kind of thing is not for everyone to do and some want an off the shelf solution but I would imagine down the line when it comes time to update your software or you have an issue it would be impossible to get support for it let alone the fact I am sure they are not donating anything to this or any other community.

If they just sold the cab and parts i'd be right into what they do but they don't even offer parts or cabs as an option, just full built systems and that seems completely wrong to me.

For me, something even like ArcadeLand here in Stoke, UK doesn't do what they did, they just build the computer, build the machine, set up stuff like solenoids and the main pinball startup, then you're on your own, you have to sort everything out yourself - no tables, no backglasses, no DMDs/FlexDMDs, no PuP Packs etc, you're told to basically "Find them yourself aka the "Google is your friend" deal", which I have no problem with at all!

[Pinballerx]

Not sure of the availability where you live but the Atgames and Arcade 1up cabinets make good platforms for home built systems. Not sure why someone hasn't popped out a particle board cut out diy kit that looks like a real cab yet. The arcade1up cabinet looks the most real of the two. It would be neat if soomeone offered similar bare bones cabinet kits that look like the 1up cabs in different sizes, you know with real lock down bars and legs. I know game room solutions has some but they don't really look like real pin cabs. Just need some accents to make them real looking. I know Virtuapin makes a really sweet looking high quality diy kit. 

[namine]

6 hours ago, Pinballerx said:

Not sure of the availability where you live but the Atgames and Arcade 1up cabinets make good platforms for home built systems. Not sure why someone hasn't popped out a particle board cut out diy kit that looks like a real cab yet. The arcade1up cabinet looks the most real of the two. It would be neat if soomeone offered similar bare bones cabinet kits that look like the 1up cabs in different sizes, you know with real lock down bars and legs. I know game room solutions has some but they don't really look like real pin cabs. Just need some accents to make them real looking. I know Virtuapin makes a really sweet looking high quality diy kit. 

Unfortunately, with the ALP/A1Up, they're very much expensive here in the UK despite A1Up not selling the pinball machines very well, it's about £800 for the ALP (non 4k) and £600 for the A1Up Vpin. It's a shame because had the shop that sells the A1Up Vpin had put it down to £250, I would have been jumping on it and grabbing one to gut and mod itself. 

 

However, I am looking at a different place to get a proper VPin machine built, no PC as I want to build my own decent spec PC (i7, 16GB+ RAM, decent spec GPU like a GeForce 2060 and a 2TB SSD/NVME M.2 SSD) and they'll do the main building of the machine, add in the bells and whistles like SSF, solenoids etc. It's called Arcade Land here in Stoke, and I'm hoping they'll allow me to do that. 

[Pinballerx]

19 hours ago, namine said:

Unfortunately, with the ALP/A1Up, they're very much expensive here in the UK despite A1Up not selling the pinball machines very well, it's about £800 for the ALP (non 4k) and £600 for the A1Up Vpin. It's a shame because had the shop that sells the A1Up Vpin had put it down to £250, I would have been jumping on it and grabbing one to gut and mod itself. 

 

However, I am looking at a different place to get a proper VPin machine built, no PC as I want to build my own decent spec PC (i7, 16GB+ RAM, decent spec GPU like a GeForce 2060 and a 2TB SSD/NVME M.2 SSD) and they'll do the main building of the machine, add in the bells and whistles like SSF, solenoids etc. It's called Arcade Land here in Stoke, and I'm hoping they'll allow me to do that. 

Yeah, the arcade1up I got was on sale for 300 USD. Stateside I think the best deal is the Virtuapin kits. Have you seen this guys videos on youtube, Wicked Gamer & Collector?  He reviews some companies which I believe are in Europe. Not sure if they sell just cabinets though.

[namine]

On 1/23/2024 at 9:14 PM, Pinballerx said:

Yeah, the arcade1up I got was on sale for 300 USD. Stateside I think the best deal is the Virtuapin kits. Have you seen this guys videos on youtube, Wicked Gamer & Collector?  He reviews some companies which I believe are in Europe. Not sure if they sell just cabinets though.

 

I haven't, I'll have to check that channel out!