Sync Problems In Family Guy?

[Gronimod]

during building my FG Table, I played the old version from UW. I noticed that in the beginning of the game, everything runs fine.

But the longer I play, the sound delays more and more. I started a TV Mode on Ball 3 after about 10 Minutes of play and the

DMD Animation came about 5 seconds later. 

 

Is there any known Pinmame Issue??

 

Thanks for answers

 

Groni

[arngrim]

are you using my vpm builds?

[Gronimod]

yes i use the latest one 1.96. 

[arngrim]

after how much time you start to feel the delay? i can try myself if i can reproduce

 

problem about the sam emulation, the code was reverse engineered from a very old version, which is not optimal, some tried to improve it but it didn't give any result, pinmame team could help but you know they won't help or fix anything about sam before a very long time

[Gronimod]

You can feel the delay very soon in the game. Shooting the TV hole AS much AS you can. The sound that plays before the eject, delays more and more. After a while the sound plays after eject instead of before. And it gets more and more

[Gronimod]

so this means you just add new roms to the build? Or are you able to delete bugs? This would be very frustrating if Family Guy could not be fixed At least for me unplayable.

 

I remember the LOTR emulation was kinda bad too about sync. So we used the extracted samples and imported them to the sound manager and run a simple script routine that plays the samples just like the rom did. I don´t know if that

is still possible to exctract the sounds and do it the same way.

[Gronimod]

i saw now, that I reported it wrong in the first post....Not the animation is delaying. The Sound is delaying. The animations on the DMD works good. But the sound doesn´t fit. I did a game to test with some walls in the outlanes and did an "endless game"...I played about one hour. For example, the TV Mode Animation starts on the DMD and the sound plays about 5 seconds after the anim after 20 minutes of play. This happens on all targets. Same with FART Targets..you hear the fart after 5 seconds after the hit. At the beginning of the game, everything is good. after about 5 minutes of play it´s already about a second delay.

[PinballPais]

I have witnessed this as well on the FG table in question. It gets bad pretty quickly.

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[arngrim]

i have the same behaviour than you, sound is slightly delayed.

i can't fix that, snotz either, pinmame team won't work on sam.

don't know about extracting sounds, who extracted the lotr, ripley and elvis sounds?

[freneticamnesic]

you can extract sounds, see the batman dark knight thread for info about how people do that

[Gronimod]

Ok, I have extracted all Sounds from the rom. Now lets see if I can make that work somehow

[Gronimod]

Ok seems to go above my knowledge. There is a special script by destruk that handles the sounds. The new FG Sounds doesn´t fit to the architecture that LOTR have. Complete different filenames and structure. So I guess I won´t be able to do it. Maybe someone here have the knowledge to that?

[Gronimod]

Ok, thanks to Dazz for helping me out with the 11.00 and 10.00 Rom. They work without any delay. So I will use the v11.00 Rom on the table until there is some fix on pinmame. But I guess there will be not much differnt in the 12.00 rom. So now I am happy to be able to create the table with not harming the gameplay Yiihaa....Or like it says on the FG Table....WOW...THAT WAS....WOW

wow.mp3

[arngrim]

link to the 11.0 rom please

[Gronimod]

 

http://vpuniverse.com/forums/topic/1625-wip-groni-pinball-stern-family-guy/page-6#entry15908

[gtxjoe]

Found the FG release notes

 

**************************************************************************
* *
* STERN PINBALL, INC. *
* © COPYRIGHT 2007, 2008 STERN PINBALL, INC. *
* *
**************************************************************************
* *
* FAMILY GUY *
* *
**************************************************************************

V 12.0 - 29-Jan-2008
====================

Family Guy Changes
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- fixed spelling of plural "hero"
- Added ticket dispenser test. Jammed tickets are now reported in tech alert.
- Coil drives used for ticket dispenser operation (AUX 1-3, coils #33-35) can no longer be activated in coil test.

System Changes
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- Changed the file name for USB backup. The file name now included the spoken languages present in the game image.
The formatting of the version number has also changed to be a bit more readable.
- Changed the tab order of the RichEdit control and the single line input text box.
- fixed a problem where the checksum(s) in the checksum table could vary from build to build).
- Changed greece pricing from EURO 6 to EURO 8. Short month names in certain languages were too long.
- Fixed problems with U.K and Spain tournament prize pool messages.
- Changed the wording of the 'INSUFFICIENT SPACE' message for USB backup. Updated revision comments.
- The USB backup test now checks the free space on a USB memory stick and refuses to save the game image to the stick
if there is insufficient space to do so.
- Ticket dispenser API changed so that tickets can be dispensed without clicking the meter.
- Cleaned up "OK" and "Cancel" slowness. Added debug message boxes.
- Changed Spain factory default pricing to Euro8.
- Added new artwork for ticket dispenser test.
- Cleaned up flipper ball search and test mode entry/exit API.
- Fixed a problem with changing the dip switches. When the dip switches were changed and the game was rebooted, the
system would not install the proper adjustment override values associated with the new dip switch settings.
- Added tournament settings for Spain.
- Added tournament settings for UK
- changed french text in www.stern.pinball attract mode screen to fit on display
- Fixed a problem with ball search. If a request was made to put off ball search for a smaller amount of time than a
larger value that was already timing down, then the smaller amount of time would overwrite the larger amount of time,
which would often result in ball search occurring when it should not.
- Fixed a problem with font rendering. If the font character information happened to be in a different flash memory bank
than the font character image data, then the characters would be rendered incorrectly
- Added 3x7 outline font.
- Added 5x7 outline font.
- Added the 9x12 outline font.
- added missing translated text
- Shortened the tilt sound, as there was a lot of dead space at the end of the sound.
- Changed the size of the space character for the 5x5 outline font. It was too small.
- Added a 5x5 outline font.
- Fixed a problem with the '1' (one) character in the 7x10 outline font. The character was not the same width as the rest
of the numeric characters.
- Fixed the 'custom' tournament setup such that it is possible to set up a high score tournament with only 1 prize.
Bump 'N' Win tournaments are still a minimum of 2 prizes (one for the high score, and one for a single position in
the Bump 'N' Win table).
- Added a 'coin_door' module to the core system.
- Added 'BALL_SAVE_OTHER_OUTLANE' such that expedited ball saves can be handled via outlanes that are neither left outlanes nor right outlanes.
- The background lamp effect for "get balls into play" was not being killed when the "balls into play" request finished.
- Changed Norway 2 pricing; added Norway 3 pricing. Added pricing messages to the pinball pricing table.
- Added a way to get at the fractional portion of the credits.
- Fixed some misspellings in Spanish (RESET GRAND CHAMPION and RESET FACTORY SETTINGS).
- High score to date now times out if it appears that the player is not doing anything to enter their initials.
Added an icon for ticket dispenser test.
- Fixed a misspelling for the Italian 'CYCLING COILS' test.
- The attract mode display effect for custom message was not auto-sizing the fonts. This would cause long messages
to be rendered (clipped) off the screen.



V 11.0 - 27-Jun-2007
====================

Family Guy Changes
-----------

- added stewie motor test
- Changed scoring for beer can collect.
- Fixed some issues with mini-playfield inactivity detection, added an adjustment to turn off
auto-disabling if it's still a problem; mode shot counts now reset each time the mode is played
so that tv wizard scoring doesn't get obnoxiously high.
- added a delay after completing the 4 bank drop targets to reduce balls from being launched into the glass
- Stewie Multiball starts are now audited
- new graphics, speech added


System Changes
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- Ball save is now expedited via an outlane switch.
- Fixed a bug in the USB write file code that could appear when spanning FAT clusters. Optimized
several USB file operations so that they are more efficient and run faster.
- Removed the 12v lockup code. This is no longer useful.
- Got rid of extra 0 at the end of a minor version.
- Added instant info modules.
- Factory default USA pricing is now USA10 (1/$0.75, 2/$1.50, 3/$2.00).
Tournament prize pool bump upped to $0.50 (from $0.25).
- Fixed several USB bugs.
- Fixed a problem with the 'total plays' audit.
- Fixed a bug with audit dump.
- Fixed the extra ball crash bug. This would happen when the maximum number of extra balls was exceeded and the game programmer had specified extra ball points.


V 10.00 - 22-Mar-2007
====================

Family Guy Changes
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- changed default "raise death" settings
- Updated sperm attack (final mode) graphics
- Added graphics to first 2 phases of Sperm Attack.
- Final Mode qualifying implemented
- final mode lamp effects added
- added Game Intro speech phrases
- added flag art
- added more funny speech phrases
- added final mode music
- Final mode added

System Changes
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- made tilt debounce longer to avoid quick danger/danger/tilt scenarios that occur when nudging the game 1 time.
- Increased the heap size.
- Added sound effects for USB update complete and USB update error.
- Added new "download compete" sound.
- Fixed a bug in 'sys_lamp_matrix_free()'.
- Added copyright tool.
- Added translations for the "lost ball recovery" adjustment.


V 9.00 - 6-Mar-2007
====================

Family Guy Changes
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- added dubai settings, added mode total transition sound, added new/bigger ramp sound
- added penis car speech phrases to family mode
- removed fart sounds from spinner during Fart Multiball when "family mode" is set
- added drunken clam speech phrases to family mode
- added sexy party settings for dubia
- added fart multiball total speech phrases to family mode
- added lard multiball speech phrases to family mode
- added happy hour speech phrases to family mode
- added crazy chris speech phrases to family mode

V 8.00 - 1-Mar-2007
====================

Family Guy Changes
-----------

- fixed spanish speech
- added default setting for extra easy thru extra hard rule installs
- added tournament info to attract mode

System Changes
-----------

- changed asterisk from 7 to 5 pixels wide in the 5X10 font
- Tournament 'enter initials' display effect now displays asterisk characters for the PIN.


V 7.00 - 26-Feb-2007
====================

Family Guy Changes
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- new beers collected sound f/x
- fart mb switch scores are now scored and shown on the fart mb bg screen
- new collect beers display/sound f/x
- spanish speech added
- Lengthened TV Wizard Mode total page display and added sound to it
- Added sounds to TV Wizard mode.
- left return lane is now more responsive during fart mb


System Changes
-----------

- Audits and adjustments now only make '-' and '+' button sounds if the audit and adjustment numbers and/or values actually change.


V 6.00 - 23-Feb-2007
====================

Family Guy Changes
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- added french speech
- added french/spanish text
- fixed bonus hold text during Drunken Clam (now it's Hold Bonus X)
- added drop target, drops completed sounds for family mode
- removed "head for the TV" speech when "PINBALL" was qualified but not available (i.e. when a multiball event is running?
- changed evil monkey award animation
- Added TV Final mode
- removed some bog from the spinner.


V 5.00 - 19-Feb-2007
====================

Family Guy Changes
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- added new meg hit sound f/x
- added/fixed italian/german text
- added hidden skill shot
- added meg speech to super griffins
- added a brian speech line that had been commented out
- implemented shot counter for all modes; fixed a non-fatal in Ipecac Contest.


System Changes
-----------

- The switch debounce close and open times for the trough jam switch have been changed
from 2 to 1.



V 4.00 - 13-Feb-2007
====================

Family Guy Changes
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- added fart multiball intro/total sounds for family mode
- fixed/added missing foreign text
- fixed german text that was off screen on sexy party intro screen
- fixed german text for lois during end of ball bonus
- Fixed an error in the switch table that caused the bottom pop switch not to dispatch.
- added french, spanish, and german coil text
- Added and fixed some french adjustment text
- Changed when the lard bozo audit is chaulked
- Changed the number of beer cans needed when lard bozo is qualified (now set to 1)
- added crazy chris, chicken fight, super griffins awards, etc...
- added crazy chris speech
- fixed german speech errors
- added german speech
- added left ramp extra ball adjustment
- added more speech
- added adult setting to fart multiball intro
- added adult setting to stewie pinball startup speech
- stewie pinball total is now displayed on 3 lines
- added auto percentaging to left ramp extra ball lit rule
- added adult speech settings to "pops at max"
- added family settings to Fart Multiball
- added lard multiball intro sound
- added tilt warning, tilt speech
- added family setting to fart sounds for all switches during Fart Multiball
- added new crazy chris animation, new crazy chris award sounds
- added adult speech setting to beer can speech
- made german text fit better on end-of-ball bonus screen
- removed farts from drop targets for family mode
- added catostrophic miniplayfield timeout
- added some tech alerts for the miniplayfield
- miniplayfield tries to recover from error once after test mode is exited (before it would only try once after powerup).
- added missing italian speech
- added missing german 12k speech
- new german happy hour speech
- new german verison of "Shoot the left ramp"
- Miniplayfield should be pretty well bulletproofed at this point
- added accessibility and alarm counts to all switches
- added disable mini playfield adjustment
- broken switch compensation added for mini playfield targets
- gave consolation award for broken mini playfields
- added new fart/lard intro sounds, beer can sounds
- added mystery competion mode that works from a list of awards
- added audit for bozo lard multiball
- added audit for new game after recent bad game
- added stewie target sounds
- Chicken fight is no longer a video mode, it is a frenzy mode
- added background speech and punch sound effects to chicken fight
- disabled chicken fight adjustment (hasn't been removed yet).
- Added Lard bozo detection
- commented out unused speech phrases (needed memory for Italian)
- stewie spot light is now on during pre/post stewie pinball
- stopped newton jackpot lamps from lighting during regular game play
- stopped clam kickout sounds in diagnostics

System Changes
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- compression technique has changed from "any" to "*"
- Lowered the switch debounce times for the trough jam switch.
- Cleaned up the switch alert reporting. Dedicated switches are now reported as D-N, where N is the dedicated switch number.
- Added alphabet characters to the 9x12 font.
- Removed 10x15 font, added 9X12 font.
- Finished implementing 'player competition mode'.


V 3.00 - 6-Feb-2007
====================

Family Guy Changes
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- added Italian speech


V 2.00 - 5-Feb-2007
====================

Family Guy Changes
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- added tv static, right orbit, return lane, super griffin sounds
- fixed french text
- removed "mini spot" lamp names
- added added, "start button no credit" sounds
- added added shoot again sounds
- added new shoot again sound f/x
- new "TV is lit" sound
- added TV static speech
- added Fart Multiball lightshow


V 1.01 - 2-Feb-2007
====================

Family Guy Changes
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- added speech to fart multiball
- added a function to play sound later (due to negative delta problem with followup sound calls
- added raise death during multiball adjustment
- fixed how stewie end timer music is started
- uturn follow up speech is faster
- new game intro sounds
- Fixed Stewie pinball bugs by using just one state variable instead of many
- fixed Stewie multiball background staying up when it shouldn't've been
- added endball total calls to all the multiballs
- Stewie Multiball miniplayfield shots now score and make sounds when not giving jackpots
- Stewie Multiball miniplayfield flippers die when ball is drained.
- fixed German text size issues
- fixed French translations.


System Changes
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none


V 1.00 - 1-Feb-2007
====================

Initial Release

[oooPLAYER1ooo]

during building my FG Table, I played the old version from UW. I noticed that in the beginning of the game, everything runs fine.

But the longer I play, the sound delays more and more. I started a TV Mode on Ball 3 after about 10 Minutes of play and the

DMD Animation came about 5 seconds later. 

 

Is there any known Pinmame Issue??

 

Thanks for answers

 

Groni

 

by oooPLAYER1ooo and Unclewilly you mean, although it isn't a public table i would like at least some recognition for the year i spent working on it

[Gronimod]

Oh Sorry I thought it was just a UW Table Thanks for giving me such a good table as a guide to build mine. 

[freneticamnesic]

p1 made the tables that the whole world plays

[Gronimod]

The whole World was playing my Megapin Tables too TZ is still one the most downloaded tables of all time

[freneticamnesic]

it probably helps that it is the most popular pinball table of all time

[hiljak]

has this FG table been released yet?  Thanks for your work on this and all who worked on the "underground" table as well!

[Dazz]

has this FG table been released yet?  Thanks for your work on this and all who worked on the "underground" table as well!

This isn't the WIP thread for the recreation. This is/was a pinmame emulation/support thread. Check the Works in progress for the answer to your question.